Draft Pelipper

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[overview]
**Draft Order**: Round 4 onwards

**Price Range**: 9-10 points

**Overview**: Pelipper is the best rain setter in the format and the premier choice for rain-centric drafts, thanks to Drizzle greatly benefitting teammates such as Barraskewda, Archaludon, and Basculegion. Better physical bulk, U-turn, and reliable recovery set it apart from the other automatic rain setter, Politoed. However, Pelipper is not without flaws; it's weak to Stealth Rock but wants Damp Rock to extend rain turns. Its quadruple weakness to Electric is also highlighted, since even physical attackers can KO it with Thunder. Furthermore, given the nature of Draft, rain teams can struggle against opposing preparation. Pelipper is usually only drafted on full rain teams with other Pokemon able to exploit rain to its fullest.

[strategy comments]
Common Roles
========
**Rain Setter**: With Drizzle and Damp Rock, Pelipper can support its team with rain, using its decent physical bulk to pivot in teammates and deal respectable damage.

Common Moves
========
**Primary STAB Moves**: Hydro Pump, Weather Ball, Surf, Chilling Water, Hurricane

**Utility Moves**: U-turn, Knock Off, Roost, Icy Wind

**Coverage**: Ice Beam

Niche Moves
========
**Tailwind**: Tailwind can be used to make a slower, bulkier teammate faster and much more threatening.

**Rain Dance**: Rain Dance can be used as a countermeasure against opposing weather teams, particularly sun teams with Torkoal.

Common Items
========
**Damp Rock**: Damp Rock is Pelipper's most viable item and enables a rain-centric draft to benefit from more rain turns.

**Heavy-Duty Boots**: Heavy-Duty Boots fixes Pelipper's weakness to Stealth Rock, helping it stay around for longer and thus giving it more opportunities to set rain. This also enables it to showcase its physical bulk more.

Niche Items
========
**Choice Specs**: Under rain, Pelipper can hit fairly hard if it invests in Special Attack, and Choice Specs helps it lean more into its powerful STAB attacks.

Tera
========
Pelipper should not usually be considered for your Tera Captain. It is generally recommended to make a Pokemon that exploits its rain a Tera Captain instead. However, if you do choose to make it a Tera Captain, Tera Ground and Grass are great options to rid Pelipper of its Rock and Electric weaknesses.

Draft Strategy
========
Drafting Pelipper indicates that you are drafting a rain team, so the Pokemon you draft should naturally be good in rain. You also need to account for Pelipper's poor special bulk and weaknesses to Rock and Electric.

**Swift Swim Users**: Swift Swim is the most obvious way to take advantage of rain against opposing offensive drafts. There are multiple great options for Swift Swim users; the Basculegion formes and Barraskewda are great picks, while there are also cheaper options like Floatzel and Ludicolo.

**Strong Water-type Wallbreakers**: When combined with the boost to Water-type attacks in rain, strong wallbreakers like Keldeo, Palafin, Quaquaval, and Ogerpon-W become very difficult to wall.

**Other Rain Exploiters**: To bring type diversity to your draft, other, non Water-type Pokemon are appreciated. Electric-types that can spam Thunder, such as Raging Bolt, Raikou, and Zapdos, are appreciated. Flying-types that can use Hurricane, such as Tornadus-T and Iron Jugulis, are also great picks. Pokemon weak to Fire, like Scizor and Ogerpon, also greatly appreciate the rain Pelipper provides. Archaludon is an absolute must when drafting rain, as it handles foes of all the types that rain traditionally struggles with while having great damage output thanks to Electro Shot.

**Electric-resistant Pokemon**: Pelipper is 4x-weak to Electric, and most Water-types found on rain drafts share this weakness. Therefore, having Pokemon that can deal with Electric-types is a must. Iron Treads is immune to Electric and also brings a variety of utility moves to the table, including Rapid Spin as an emergency entry hazard removal option. Thundurus-T and Kilowattrel are both powerhouses in rain that are immune to Electric by virtue of their abilities.

**Entry Hazard Control**: Rain teams usually aim to win quickly, but having entry hazard removal available is great because it means Pelipper can set rain more times. Tentacruel, Iron Treads, and Cyclizar are options for Rapid Spin support, while Noivern and Scizor can be Defoggers.

Checks and Counters
========
**Opposing Weather**: Other weather setters, like Tyranitar and Alolan Ninetales, are bad matchups for Pelipper, as it cannot do its job and provide rain for the team as effectively. Most Pokemon, including but not limited to Tornadus-T, Corviknight, and Whimsicott, can also prepare for the matchup by carrying a weather-setting move like Sunny Day. Torkoal in particular can sometimes be tricky to play around, as it is slower than Pelipper and hence sets sun when both Pokemon lead. Additionally, it can use Stealth Rock to limit Pelipper's switch opportunities, and its Grass-type teammates with Chlorophyll beat the Water-types on Pelipper's team.

**Stealth Rock**: If Stealth Rock goes up and stays up, Pelipper is forced to choose between Heavy-Duty Boots for longevity or Damp Rock for maximum turns, which can make the matchup more difficult.

**Electric-types**: All Electric-types can threaten OHKOs on the 4x-weak Pelipper.

**Special Attackers**: Pelipper has poor special bulk and as a result is vulnerable to being KOed by strong special attackers, such as Enamorus, Walking Wake, and Latios.

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[overview]
**Draft Order**: Round 4 onwards

**Price Range**: 9-10 points

**Overview**: Pelipper is the best rain setter in the format and the premier choice for rain-centric drafts, thanks to its Drizzle ability greatly benefitting abusers such as Barraskweda, Archaludon, and Basculegion. Better physical bulk, momentum, and reliable recovery set it apart from the other automatic rain setter, Politoed. However, Pelipper is not without flaws - it's weak to rocks Stealth Rock but wants Damp Rock to extend rain turns and has average damage output. Hence, Pelipper is usually only drafted on Rain teams with other Pokemon able to abuse Rain to its fullest.

id also make mention of its 4x electric weakness being heightened since rain allows even phys atkers to ko it w/ thunder

[strategy comments]
Common Roles
========
**Rain sSetter**: With Drizzle and a Damp Rock equipped, Pelipper can support its team with Rain for 7 effective turns, using its decent physical bulk to pivot in teammates and deal respectable damage.

Common Moves
========
**Primary STAB Moves**: Hydro Pump, Weather Ball, Surf, Chilling Water, Hurricane

**Utility Moves**: U-Tturn, Knock Off, Roost, Icy Wind

**Coverage**: Ice Beam

Niche Moves
========
**Tailwind**: Tailwind can be used to make a slower, bulkier threat faster and much more threatening.

add rain dance as a counter measure against sun

Common Items
========
**Damp Rock**: Pelipper's most viable item. Damp Rock extends Rain's duration for 3 turns, which enables a team to abuse the weather much more.

Niche Items
========
**Heavy-Duty Boots**: Heavy-Duty Boots fixes Pelipper's weakness to rocks, helping it stay round for longer and thus give it more opportunities to set rain. This also enables it to showcase its physical bulk more. move to common

**Choice Specs**: Under Rain, Pelipper can hit fairly strong if invested, and Choice Specs helps it lean more greatly into its potentially powerful STAB attacks.

Tera
========
Pelipper should not usually be considered for your Tera captain. It is generally more recommendable to Tera cCaptain a rain abuser instead. However, in leagues where Pelipper can Tera freely, if you do choose to make it a Tera Captain, Tera Ground and Tera Grass are great options to rid itself of its Rock- and quadruple Electric-type weakness.

Draft Strategy
========
Drafting Pelipper indicates that you are drafting with the idea to play Rain, so the Pokemon you draft should naturally be good in Rain. You also need to account for Pelipper's poor special bulk and weakness to Rock- and Electric- types.

**Swift Swim abusers**: Swift Swim is the most obvious way to take advantage of Rain and give a great advantage into opposing offensive drafts. There are multiple great options for this: the Basculegion formes and Barraskewda are great picks, while there are also cheaper ideas like Floatzel and Ludicolo.

**Strong Water-type breakers**: When combined with the boost to Water-type attacks in Rain, strong breakers like Keldeo, Palafin, Quaquaval, and Ogerpon-Wellspring become very difficult to wall.

**Other rain abusers**: To bring type diversity, other, non Water-type, Pokemon are appreciated. Electric-types that can spam Thunder, such as Bellibolt pick a real offensive electric, Raikou comes to mind and Thundurus-Therian, are appreciated. Flying-types that can click Hurricane, such as Tornadus-Therian and Iron Jugulis, are also a great pick. Pokemon weak to Fire also greatly appreciate the rain Pelipper provides, and these could include Scizor, and Ogerpon, and Cobalion.

**Electric resists**: Pelipper is quad-weak to Electric-type attacks, and most Water-types found on Rain drafts share this weakness. Therefore having Pokemon that can deal with Electric-types is a must. Iron Treads is immune to Electric-type attacks and also brings a variety of utility to the table, including Rapid Spin as an emergency removal option. Thundurus-Therian and Kilowattrel are both powerhouses in rain that are immune to Electric-type attacks by virtue of their abilities. With an Assault Vest, Archaludon becomes surprisingly hard to remove, while functioning as a deadly rain sweeper. Grass-types, such as Appletun and Amoonguss, are also great to this end. this turns into excess fluff too quickly

**Other slow pivots**: Pelipper having U-Turn is amazing for pivoting in big threats, but it can become overwhelmed quickly and therefore other pivots, especially those with better special bulk, are necessary for the teams functioning. Iron Treads, Amoonguss, and Bellibolt are all good examples. excessive number of points atp


**Hazard control**: Rain usually aims to win first, but having hazard removal available is great because it means Pelipper can set rain more times. Blastoise, Iron Treads, and Cyclizar are options for Rapid Spin support, while Noivern and Scizor can be Defogging options.
change the order to have stoise last, its kinda dog on rain, possibly even swap it for tenta

Checks and Counters
========
**Opposing weather**: Other weather-setters, like Tyranitar and Ninetales-Alola, provide bad matchups for Pelipper as it cannot do its job and provide Rain for the team as effectively. Most Pokemon, including, but not limited to, Tornadus-Therian, Corviknight, and Whimsicott, can also tech for the matchup by carrying a weather-setting move like Sunny Day.

**Torkoal**: Torkoal specifically is a bad matchup for Pelipper. It is slower than Pelipper and hence underspeeds and sets Sun when both Pokemon are lead, hampering Pelipper's team and stopping Pelipper from doing meaningful damage. Additionally, it gets Stealth Rock to limit Pelipper's switch-in opportunities, and its Grass-type Chlorophyll teammates beat the Water-types of Pelipper's team. However, this matchup is more than winnable with correct play. merge with above

**Stealth Rock**: If rocks go up and stay up, Pelipper is forced to choose between Heavy-Duty Boots for longevity, or Damp Rock for maximum turns, which can make the matchup more difficult.

**Electric-types**: Most Electric-types can threaten instant knockouts on Pelipper, given Electric generally attacks on Pelipper's weaker defensive side, the Special spectrum. what electric type fails to ohko pelipper?

add a point on spc attackers


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[overview]
**Draft Order**: Round 4 onwards

**Price Range**: 9-10 points

**Overview**: Pelipper is the best rain setter in the format and the premier choice for rain-centric drafts, thanks to its Drizzle ability greatly benefitting abusers such as Barraskweda, Archaludon, and Basculegion. Better physical bulk, momentum U-turn, and reliable recovery set it apart from the other automatic rain setter, Politoed. However, Pelipper is not without flaws - it's weak to Stealth Rock but wants Damp Rock to extend rain turns and has average damage output not really relevant + pelipper is lowkey strong in rain. It's quadruple weakness to Electric is also highlighted, since even physical attackers can knock it out with Thunder. Hence, Pelipper is usually only drafted on Rain teams with other Pokemon able to abuse Rain to its fullest. i don't think this overview is complete without mentioning how because this is draft, teams based fully on rain/weather can inherently struggle sometimes because the opponent can specifically prep for the rain coming

[strategy comments]
Common Roles
========
**Rain Setter**: With Drizzle and a Damp Rock equipped, Pelipper can support its team with Rain for 7 effective turns, using its decent physical bulk to pivot in teammates and deal respectable damage.

Common Moves
========
**Primary STAB Moves**: Hydro Pump, Weather Ball, Surf, Chilling Water, Hurricane

**Utility Moves**: U-turn, Knock Off, Roost, Icy Wind

**Coverage**: Ice Beam

Niche Moves
========
**Tailwind**: Tailwind can be used to make a slower, bulkier threat faster and much more threatening.

**Rain Dance**: This can be used as a countermeasure against opposing weather teams, particularly Torkoal Sun.

Common Items
========
**Damp Rock**: Pelipper's most viable item. Damp Rock extends Rain's duration for 3 turns, which enables a team to abuse the weather much more. rain-centric draft to benefit from more rain turns. rephrasing like autumn pointed out

Niche Items
========
**Heavy-Duty Boots**: Heavy-Duty Boots fixes Pelipper's weakness to rocks, helping it stay round for longer and thus give it more opportunities to set rain. This also enables it to showcase its physical bulk more. move to common, was in qc1

**Choice Specs**: Under Rain, Pelipper can hit fairly strong if invested, and Choice Specs helps it lean more greatly into its potentially powerful STAB attacks.

Tera
========
Pelipper should not usually be considered for your Tera captain. It is generally more recommendable to Tera cCaptain a rain abuser instead. However, if you do choose to make it a Tera Captain, Tera Ground and Tera Grass are great options to rid itself of its Rock- and quadruple Electric-type weakness.

Draft Strategy
========
Drafting Pelipper indicates that you are drafting with the idea to play Rain, so the Pokemon you draft should naturally be good in Rain. You also need to account for Pelipper's poor special bulk and weakness to Rock- and Electric- types.

**Swift Swim abusers**: Swift Swim is the most obvious way to take advantage of Rain and give a great advantage into opposing offensive drafts. There are multiple great options for this: the Basculegion formes and Barraskewda are great picks, while there are also cheaper ideas like Floatzel and Ludicolo.

**Strong Water-type breakers**: When combined with the boost to Water-type attacks in Rain, strong breakers like Keldeo, Palafin, Quaquaval, and Ogerpon-Wellspring become very difficult to wall.

**Other rain abusers**: To bring type diversity, other, non Water-type, Pokemon are appreciated. Electric-types that can spam Thunder, such as Raikou and Thundurus-Therian raging bolt is potentially an additional/better example, zapdos also should be mentioned in one of these 2 points, are appreciated. Flying-types that can click Hurricane, such as Tornadus-Therian and Iron Jugulis, are also a great pick. Pokemon weak to Fire also greatly appreciate the rain Pelipper provides, and these could include Scizor, and Ogerpon. NEED ARCHALUDON, needed bc it handles all the types rain struggles with alongside Electro Shot of course

**Electric resists**: Pelipper is quad-weak to Electric-type attacks, and most Water-types found on Rain drafts share this weakness. Therefore having Pokemon that can deal with Electric-types is a must. Iron Treads is immune to Electric-type attacks and also brings a variety of utility to the table, including Rapid Spin as an emergency removal option. Thundurus-Therian and Kilowattrel are both powerhouses in rain that are immune to Electric-type attacks by virtue of their abilities. can mention raging bolt and archaludon again if desired but depends on how you think the paragraphs flow

**Hazard control**: Rain usually aims to win first, but having hazard removal available is great because it means Pelipper can set rain more times. Tentacruel, Iron Treads, and Cyclizar are options for Rapid Spin support, while Noivern and Scizor can be Defogging options.

Checks and Counters
========
**Opposing weather**: Other weather-setters, like Tyranitar and Ninetales-Alola, provide bad matchups for Pelipper as it cannot do its job and provide Rain for the team as effectively. Most Pokemon, including, but not limited to, Tornadus-Therian, Corviknight, and Whimsicott, can also tech for the matchup by carrying a weather-setting move like Sunny Day. Torkoal specifically is a bad matchup for Pelipper. bad matchup feels too strong, it's rain vs sun after all Torkoal in particular can sometimes be tricky to play around, as It is slower than Pelipper and hence underspeeds and sets Sun when both Pokemon are lead, hampering Pelipper's team and stopping Pelipper from doing meaningful damage. Additionally, it gets Stealth Rock to limit Pelipper's switch-in opportunities, and its Grass-type Chlorophyll teammates beat the Water-types of Pelipper's team. However, this matchup is more than winnable with correct play.

**Stealth Rock**: If rocks go up and stay up, Pelipper is forced to choose between Heavy-Duty Boots for longevity, or Damp Rock for maximum turns, which can make the matchup more difficult.

**Electric-type attacks**: All Electric-types can threaten instant knockouts on the quad-weak Pelipper, given Electric generally attacks on Pelipper's weaker defensive side, the Special spectrum. don't think this matters

**Special Attackers**: Pelipper has poor special bulk, and as a result is vulnerable to knockouts from strong special attackers toss in some examples for this, not needed for the electrics because every single one will ohko pelipper, but there are special attackers that cannot.

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ping me in the discord when this is done, this is good but i just want to see exactly what you write for some of the points before sending it to gp
 

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[overview]
**Draft Order**: Round 4 onwards

**Price Range**: 9-10 points

**Overview**: Pelipper is the best rain setter in the format and the premier choice for rain-centric drafts, thanks to its Drizzle ability greatly benefitting abusers teammates ("abuse" and such is explicitly banned wording) such as Barraskweda Barraskewda, Archaludon, and Basculegion. Better physical bulk, U-turn, and reliable recovery set it apart from the other automatic rain setter, Politoed. However, Pelipper is not without flaws—it's weak to Stealth Rock but wants Damp Rock to extend rain turns. Its (RA) quadruple weakness to Electric is also highlighted, since even physical attackers can knock KO it out with Thunder. Furthermore, given this is draft the nature of Draft, Rain rain teams can struggle given teams can tech for rain against opposing preparation. Pelipper is usually only drafted on full Rain rain teams with other Pokemon able to abuse Rain exploit rain to its fullest.

[strategy comments]
Common Roles
========
**Rain Setter**: With Drizzle and a Damp Rock equipped, Pelipper can support its team with Rain for 7 effective turns rain (dex info), using its decent physical bulk to pivot in teammates and deal respectable damage.

Common Moves
========
**Primary STAB Moves**: Hydro Pump, Weather Ball, Surf, Chilling Water, Hurricane

**Utility Moves**: U-turn, Knock Off, Roost, Icy Wind

**Coverage**: Ice Beam

Niche Moves
========
**Tailwind**: Tailwind can be used to make a slower, bulkier threat teammate (threat is a little too nonspecific here) faster and much more threatening.

**Rain Dance**: This Rain Dance can be used as a countermeasure against opposing weather teams, particularly Torkoal Sun sun teams with Torkoal.

Common Items
========
**Damp Rock**: Pelipper's most viable item. Damp Rock extends Rain's duration for 3 turns, which is Pelipper's most viable item and (dex info) enables a rain-centric draft to benefit from more rain turns.

**Heavy-Duty Boots**: Heavy-Duty Boots fixes Pelipper's weakness to rocks Stealth Rock, helping it stay round around for longer and thus give giving it more opportunities to set rain. This also enables it to showcase its physical bulk more.

Niche Items
========
**Choice Specs**: Under Rain rain, Pelipper can hit fairly strong hard if invested it invests in Special Attack, and Choice Specs helps it lean more greatly into its potentially powerful STAB attacks.

Tera
========
Pelipper should not usually be considered for your Tera captain Captain. It is generally more recommendable to Tera cCaptain a rain abuser recommended to make a Pokemon that exploits its rain a Tera Captain instead. However, if you do choose to make it a Tera Captain, Tera Ground and Tera Grass are great options to rid itself Pelipper of its Rock (RH) and quadruple Electric-type weaknesses.

Draft Strategy
========
Drafting Pelipper indicates that you are drafting with the idea to play Rain a rain team, so the Pokemon you draft should naturally be good in Rain rain. You also need to account for Pelipper's poor special bulk and weaknesses to Rock (RH) and Electric- types.

**Swift Swim abusers Users**: Swift Swim is the most obvious way to take advantage of Rain and give a great advantage into rain against opposing offensive drafts. There are multiple great options for this: Swift Swim users; the Basculegion formes and Barraskewda are great picks, while there are also cheaper ideas options like Floatzel and Ludicolo.

**Strong Water-type Wallbreakers**: When combined with the boost to Water-type attacks in Rain rain, strong wallbreakers like Keldeo, Palafin, Quaquaval, and Ogerpon-Wellspring become very difficult to wall.

**Other rain abusers Rain Exploiters**: To bring type diversity to your draft, other, non Water-type (RC) Pokemon are appreciated. Electric-types that can spam Thunder, such as Raging Bolt, Raikou, (AC) and Zapdos, are appreciated. Flying-types that can click use Hurricane, such as Tornadus-Therian and Iron Jugulis, are also a great pick picks. Pokemon weak to Fire, like Scizor and Ogerpon, also greatly appreciate the rain Pelipper provides, and these could include Scizor, and Ogerpon. Archaludon is an absolute must when drafting rain, as it handles foes of all the types that rain traditionally struggles with while having great damage output thanks to Electro Shot.

**Electric resists Electric-resistant Pokemon**: Pelipper is quad-weak 4x weak to Electric-type attacks, and most Water-types found on Rain rain drafts share this weakness. Therefore, (AC) having Pokemon that can deal with Electric-types is a must. Iron Treads is immune to Electric-type attacks and also brings a variety of utility moves to the table, including Rapid Spin as an emergency entry hazard removal option. Thundurus-Therian and Kilowattrel are both powerhouses in rain that are immune to Electric-type attacks by virtue of their abilities.

**Hazard control Entry Hazard Control**: Rain teams usually aims aim to win first quickly (all teams want to win first), but having entry hazard removal available is great because it means Pelipper can set rain more times. Tentacruel, Iron Treads, and Cyclizar are options for Rapid Spin support, while Noivern and Scizor can be Defogging options Defoggers.

Checks and Counters
========
**Opposing weather Weather**: Other weather setters (RH), like Tyranitar and Ninetales-Alola Alolan Ninetales, provide are bad matchups for Pelipper, (AC) as it cannot do its job and provide Rain rain for the team as effectively. Most Pokemon, including (RC) but not limited to (RC) Tornadus-Therian, Corviknight, and Whimsicott, can also tech prepare for the matchup by carrying a weather-setting move like Sunny Day. Torkoal in particular can sometimes be tricky to play around, as It it is slower than Pelipper and hence underspeeds and sets Sun sun when both Pokemon are lead. Additionally, it gets can use Stealth Rock to limit Pelipper's switch-in opportunities, and its Grass-type Chlorophyll teammates with Chlorophyll beat the Water-types of on Pelipper's team.

**Stealth Rock**: If rocks go Stealth Rock goes up and stay stays up, Pelipper is forced to choose between Heavy-Duty Boots for longevity (RC) or Damp Rock for maximum turns, which can make the matchup more difficult.

**Electric-type attacks Electric-types**: All Electric-types can threaten instant knockouts OHKOs on the quad-weak 4x-weak Pelipper.

**Special Attackers**: Pelipper has poor special bulk (RC) and as a result is vulnerable to knockouts from being KOed by strong special attackers, such as Enamorus, Walking Wake, and Latios.

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